is there anybody...out there... Where did everybody go? Nobody has any news, holiday bantor, random thoughts or anything to share???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XonZ7lsqIs4 Sid Barret y'all!

Hi Ted. I was wondering if you were out there, I'm wondering about your "morality existed before God" comment?

I'm not trying to make waves or anything but... Morality has nothing to do with any "god". Believing in any certain higher being is not a prerequisite to being a good person or "moral" person. There are plenty of atheists and agnostics that are all around good people. Man only grasped the art of tool making around 100,000 years ago in Africa. (Contrary to a minority belief that we were created 6,000 years ago...It's well...you know...impractical?) I imagine the concept of "God" was the furthest from their mind as they strived to exist in a world full of predators. I'm sure cavemen and women did nice things for each other and they didn't have the 10 commandments or J.C.... Humankind doesn't need some "god" to tell them to do good for others. It is inherent I think because it just feels good. I myself do believe in a Creator but I am not affiliated with any organized religion.(A year in the seminary made me realize a lot of things that I will save for another conversation.) I differ greatly when it comes to the Creator. For one I am a universal salvationist which means even those so-called heretical atheists and agnostics reap the benefits of heaven because they suffered through manhood just like everybody else. Life is hard enough already without having to worry about fire and brimstone. My Creator is a loving one. My Creator loves all equally. We are all his little controlled experiment gone horribly horribly wrong anyway. He gave us the world and we're doing a mighty fine job of screwing it up. Eventually I think he'll thin the herd and kinda level the playing field one day and all these faux "moral" people will rue that day. People keep waiting for the apocalypse but I have news for you...It's already here...

1mor·al
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin moralis, from mor-, mos custom
1 a : of or relating to principles of right and wrong in behavior : ETHICAL <moral judgments> b : expressing or teaching a conception of right behavior <a moral poem> c : conforming to a standard of right behavior d : sanctioned by or operative on one's conscience or ethical judgment <a moral obligation> e : capable of right and wrong action <a moral agent>
2 : probable though not proved : VIRTUAL <a moral certainty>
3 : perceptual or psychological rather than tangible or practical in nature or effect <a moral victory> <moral support>

2mor·al
Function: noun
1 a : the moral significance or practical lesson (as of a story) b : a passage pointing out usually in conclusion the lesson to be drawn from a story
2 plural a : moral practices or teachings : modes of conduct b : ETHICS

Who made claim that without God there would be no morals? Religion gives folks a nice incentive to stay moral.

It's a nice guide and all. All I'm saying is that religion is not a necessity for a moral society.<---A point brought up in an earlier thread<<<< Also it should not be a necessity for a good government either. All the Jesus freaks do is cry and cry about their persecution in society when throughout history they have recieved the most concessions. Many times through violence. Ahem, the crusades, the puritans in america, the spanish inquisition. I could go on. Oh and by Jesus freaks I mean anybody who is a Christian who proclaims God's love but proclaims God's hatred for gays and so on... There are entirely too many hypocritical Christians. They pick and chose from the bible whatever best suits their "gut" feeling about the world as a whole.

I had an Irish Setter when I was 8 and it used to fetch my slippers...and well you know that "Dog" spelled backwards if "God"....that's enough proof for me.

Dog Bless You this Holiday Season...

yeller outta left field with that one!! Great stuff!

OK, that's a little clearer, I think I was reading it more literally, as in a concept, a concept of morality existing before belief or concept of a higher being. I have to chew on this a little though before I comment.

There seems to be long periods of inactivity on here. I can look on here 3 or 4 days straight and see nothing new as to threads or posts.